Starcraft 2 Getting DRM Protection

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Blizzard has always been one of those companies that did not worry about piracy at all. They had a very simple way of dealing with it and that was to kill the cd-keys and ban players.

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However, in a recent interview from Incgamers with lead designer Dustin Browder, VP of creative development Chris Metzen and VP of game design Rob Pardo, it is reported that Blizzard is finally going to use DRM (Digital Rights Management) and the first game to use it will be Starcraft 2.

No its not end of the world and before you start going to SC2 forums and ranting about how this will kill the game, you should know that the form of the DRM protection would be very low.

Even though developer Pardo said “piracy really historically has not been that big of deal for [Blizzard].” He said there has been a few examples, but “for the most part we can shut down those services.”

The game will have a very low form of DRM protection in which:

In order to install the game, “you need to connect once to install the game,” StarCraft II lead designer Browder revealed. A player will also either have or sign up for a Battle.net account during the installation process.

I doubt anybody would be annoyed by this kind of DRM, but it is the first time Blizzard actually require players to be registered. For the most part it should sit well with fans of Blizzard, however, we have to remember that Activision loves DRM and most likely they will influence Blizzard to do the same.

Would love to hear what you all think about all this?

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136 Responses to “Starcraft 2 Getting DRM Protection”
  1. Zantoo says:

    This could solve the LAN problem all you nerds are b!tching about.

    • joan of ark says:

      The pirated version will surely overcome the internet problem somehow. They always do. It’s just a matter of tricking the game to believe that it has internet connection. It’s been seen on a bunch of games.

  2. Random says:

    What is the point of adding DRM. within 24hours of it being a available to a warez group this WILL be cracked and any DRM removed. Another way to prevent lan support i see. Blizzard really has turned to crap since the merger /me sighs

  3. Talas Grim says:

    I've been looking forward to SC2 since SC(1), now with LAN play stripped out and DRM, I'm thinking of not buying the game, and waiting to see if they ever make a SC3.

  4. okinkun says:

    Blizzard, bad move. DRM never stops or even remotely effects piracy. Ever.

    All DRM does is inconvenience your PAYING costumers. And you've already screwed up enough, with that regard, by not allowing LAN play.

    Guess I'll skip this, like I skipped Spore. Same damn reason too. -_-

    Or, if I don't want your crappy DRM on my computer, I could just pirate the game. LOL

    See how counterproductive DRM really is?

    • kevin349 says:

      All the DRM is there for is to force people to register it to a battle.net account. The game is designed to be played connected to the internet, and this will just get people connected and set up.

      As for LAN play, it is going to be built into battle.net. It will just require you to be connected to the internet.

      • YimYimYimi says:

        "As for LAN play, it is going to be built into battle.net. It will just require you to be connected to the internet."

        If it requires you to be connected to the internet, it's not LAN, dumbass…there's a reason it's called LOCAL Area Network…

        • kevin349 says:

          You're the idiot. If you log into battle.net and authenticate, then connect to the other computers via the LAN option that will be in battle.net, then yes it is LAN using your LOCAL AREA NETWORK.

          • YimYimYimi says:

            If I am playing with a bunch of people at my house and, uh oh!, my internet goes out. I should still be able to play with them using my own router/hub. If I am required to be connected to Battle.net while I am playing on my own LAN, then it's playing over then internet with people that also happen to be on the same LAN as me.

          • gizmaster says:

            The internet net is by definition not a LOCAL area network. Just because the little button says "LAN" doesn't make it a LAN.

            By your definition any network that my local area network (my network of personal computers) connects to us a LAN.

            Also, by your definition, if I did not have a local area network (just one computer) it wouldn't be a LAN.

            • YimYimYimi says:

              Ok.

              Internet=worldwide network of computers

              LAN=little network of computers that I can have in my house COMPLETELY SEPERATE of the Internet.

              If I can't play on my LAN without being connected to the internet, it would be playing on a LAN with the assistance of the Internet.

              • oherror says:

                LAN gamming generally is used away from the internet. If you hold a rather large lan party you have ONE computer thats on the net for patches and such but the rest are off and on a closed network that is local one. If a game requires a internet connection it wont be played at a lan party. Cause 30+ machines fighting for the up bandwidth just doesnt work.

                So no blizzards crappy LAN definition is not lan.

              • LBK_1975 says:

                I can't believe we actually have to give a definition of LAN here.

                Local Area Network = LAN

                No internet connection is required for LAN.

              • Duo says:

                Actually that would be a VLAN. Take some simple computer classes then talk trash on the internet, not the other way around.

                • Izkata says:

                  @Duo, Not sure who you're replying to with the VLAN comment, but depending on how that's read, it might be you that should read up again. (I mean, look at who your post is under)

                  LAN -> No internet connection required

                  VLAN -> Virtual LAN -> Pretends to be a LAN by using the internet

                  • GunMonkey says:

                    Uh, actually vlan or virtual LAN is a logical LAN that exists within a physical LAN or bridged across multiple networks to increase data security and access control without buying additional hardware.

                    You might want actually look into network engineering before spouting retarded comments like "Pretends to be a LAN by using the internet"

            • YimYimYimi says:

              I know you will probably NEVER read this, but I feel I have to say it or else it will eat me up inside. Gizmaster, I thought you we're replying to me and I thought your comment was geared towards me. I now realize my mistake after 11 days of posting. I feel that I must apologize because I know now that you were replying to kevin349. If I didn't do this, I just couldn't forgive myself. I know you will most likely NEVER read this, but I have to say it.

          • alex says:

            You don't understand routing do you? Playing over battle.net means that all game data will be going out and in my cute little comcast connection. I have 20 buddies over, that's 20 streams in and out of bandwidth eaten up – bandwidth that I shouldn't have to use.

            Have 20 friends over, play TF2 or WoW some time. Great lolz.

      • Gonzobot says:

        Which means, any LAN gathering (conventions, 100K-man LAN, any local tourneys, etc.) will require HUGE bandwidth amounts. Remember when halflife2 came out, and the 'simple, non-intrusive' DRM system left legitimate purchasers unable to play for DAYS! THAT is the DRM that Blizzard is implementing here. No more "you bought the game, go play it!", it is now 'Hey pirate, PROVE you bought the game! Every time you play!'

        Because having the LAN button INSIDE Battle.net, means YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE INTERNET TO PLAY LOCAL GAMES PERIOD. And that is wrong – period.

    • ahac says:

      Having DRM like Steam (authenticate the game online, have access anywere I log in) is not an inconvenience for me.

      Having to search for the DVD… that would be inconvenient.

      If they also add friend lists (like Steam – so I can chat from SC2 with a friend playing Diablo 3), statistics and achievements (which I'm sure they will) then the new battle.net will be great.

      (No LAN still sucks, tho)

    • Jimmy B says:

      Whatever you already play the beta… Dont try and get all big and bad. Besides what are you so afraid of? You should delete your facebook account too, the government will control your life with that thing.

  5. Duo says:

    Cant wait to not pay for this travesty.Stupid stupid blizzard. I paid for everything I got from you. Twice… three times for diablo 2. And you know what, I didnt mind it at all because you where the company that respected the fellow gamers. Your liked your clients and they liked you, but you crossed the line of the trust/distrust relationship. I WILL NOT CONNECT, I WILL NOT SIGN UP, AND I WILL NOT PAY FOR YOUR PRIVACY INVADING BS SOFTWARE. Now I have to go get a copy from stupid two bit hacker, see what you did now. Clear the DRM of any sort and I will come back. You know how to disable key's, you know how to ban. Although I already HAD a Battle.net account I will let it rot like you are rotting the core of your fan base. Please by all means destroy your hardcore gamer fan-base for a larger casual gamer assortment. Let us see how long that lasts you when your cash cow (WOW) stops producing milk. Till then I will stand firmly on the other side of the line, exactly where YOU left me blizzard.

  6. Blake Powers says:

    I can honestly say that this doesn't bother me. If you look at the new b-net when you load in your cd keys it gives you an option to download the game client. I'll be honest I have bought Starcraft at least 4 times because I have lost CD keys. I applaud what they are doing. We all know the game is gonna make a bazillion dollars anyways.

    • Ren says:

      So, in short, you have organization issues?

    • zack_falcon says:

      Organization issues is the least of his problems.

      "I applaud what they are doing."

      Why? Just… Why?

      "We all know the game is gonna make a bazillion dollars anyways."

      Not even the original StarCraft could reach a "bazillion" sales, considering that the world's population hasn't even reached quadrillion, and not everyone of the population bought StarCraft.

      And my point is? With the stripping down of LAN and the addition of DRM, the WoW in Space known as StarCraft II will sell even less.

      Yes, even if you count the sale of the parts of the game that they cut off.

      The "expansion packs" required to play as the other races.

      • Ian says:

        Just a little correction:

        You can play as any of the races online, offline, or whatever, you simply won't get the campaign for that race. Personally, I'm not too riled up about that, as the Terran campaign alone is (about) as long as all three of the original campaigns. Do the math, each campaign is a full game with paying for.

        The thing that boggles me is the damned DRM, and I agree with most of the posters here, especially on the accusations of rank stupidity regarding LAN.

        Either way, neither of those facts does a damned thing to support your argument. Your making a terribly poor argument, attacking Blake's phrasing rather than his points. I disagree with him, as do you, but the crux of the matter is that you are not much more correct than he.

  7. matt lohkamp says:

    Just because it could be worse doesn't mean it's bad, you know? It's no root kit – then again, is it necessary?

  8. Travis says:

    I'm not going to complain because I know that I will still buy the game. I don't like the fact that there will be no LAN functionality but I'm sure they have their reasons, plus I prefer to play with friends on battle.net anyway.

  9. checkmate says:

    This kind of DRM is especially difficult to deal with for folks in the military.

    If I'm on deployment, underway for months at a time, and only in port for a few days, then I certainly have no means to wire my laptop into the internet to play a game.

    I had a friend who wasted 60 dollars or so on Mass Effect just so he could look at the box.

    It's a significant inconvenience to deal with. Hopefully I'll be home when SC2 is realeased…

    • Duo says:

      Agreed, I am currently on a remote in S.Korea and have intermittent at best internet connections. And it sucks when I want to play my newer games tat required me to register, and connect to verify every effing time. I have a CD key, I PAID FOR and the idiots at these companies think this will stop or slow pirating. Quite the contrary, the pirates will remain pirates and pissed of consumers like me will rely on the pirates to give the stupid companies a bloody lip till they learn they need to be friends with their fan-base and not their overseer's. It matters not anymore because I cannot wait for the press release's that follow this w/blizzard trying to justify their next newer better knife in the back of the faithful.

      • LBK_1975 says:

        I hear you, I am annoyed that I can play the game out of the box. I'm a paying customer – the same paying customer that Blizzard/Activison is now expecting to jump through hoops.

        I am getting really tired of companies "assuming" I am a thief – I don't mind registering for extra content but DRM is annoying and we all know the cracks will be out there for those that want them.

        And don't get me started on the LAN issue

    • Craig says:

      I too hate this crap. I am in military as well. I normally buy a couple of games for deployment. When we pull out we lose the internet for several months. My games are garbage at that point unless I search the internet for no cd cracks before deployment. This is really annoying. I get tired of having to find a way to get games to work on deployment. Well I guess I will be accused of being a pirate because I will not be buying the game.

  10. SadistiX says:

    it's not like it'll stop the pirates =.=

  11. YimYimYimi says:

    It's like, in this case, the pirates are the people helping the consumers, not the developer helping the consumer.

  12. aw!!! says:

    tsk3 blizzard is really pissing of their fans! first the LAN play then this…

  13. Jim says:

    Great, when they shut down that DRM server in the future they turn your discs into $50 coasters.

  14. ahac says:

    Oh… so it will be like Steam?
    Steam sucks right? No one wants access to their games without searching for the DVD.

  15. NetworkError says:

    Well… I *was* going to rush out and buy SCII when it came out, and I *was* looking forward to playing it… But on the bright side, Blizzard just saved me >$50 dollars.

    Blizzard,

    Bring back LAN play (no internet connection required) and kill the DRM. Your fans will love and adore you for it. Can you really put a price on customer loyalty?

    -NetworkError

  16. JoeSoap says:

    I guess Blizzard doesn't really care about sales in the developing world. Not everyone has a reliable, fast internet connection. No wonder piracy is so rampant in the developing world…

    Guess, I'll skip this one and find something else to play.

  17. Prime_ says:

    I don't get why everyone is so angry right now…the only form of DRM is to just reigster for the bnet account (which you will need to play on Battl.net) during the install.

    You only need to do it once unless I'm misreading something.

    • I have no name says:

      I know I'm a huge minority, but I don't play these games online, or with others. Except that they require it for installation I will have no need of a bnet account. There are also a lot of other players who wouldn't need it, if they allowed standard lan play.

      Also, while this article states it will be minor DRM, we have seen no details on how they will actually implement their one time privacy invasion. Some games in the past have done this by silently installing software that has harmed some customers' computers and was very difficult to detect or remove.

      DRM has proven over and over again to be of little to no value in preventing piracy of games. Yet companies continue to use it. Since it can't accomplish it's stated purpose, I don't see how it can be interpreted as anything but a companies disregard of their client.

  18. syous_my says:

    See this?
    http://brickgamers.blogspot.com/2009/08/brick-gam

    Had not the news came out after this was done SC2 will be on the list too.

    Happy listed as non apoc friendly SC2

  19. I have no name says:

    "I doubt anybody would be annoyed by this kind of DRM"

    Jedi mind trick fail.

    I have yet to encounter any form of DRM that is not annoying. Even steam which is very nice most of the time, can be invconvenient in certain situations, such as those mentioned by the military folks above.

    I should just get SC2 from the pirates, since they will be offering a superior product.

  20. NetworkError says:

    Re: Prime

    Why are we so angry? We're angry for a few reasons.

    1. One of the things that made StarCraft (and other old Blizzard games) so attractive was their player-friendly design. You could just play the games, single-player or LAN multi-player, with absolutely no strings attached. In fact, Blizzard added some special sauce to make this experience extra friendly. (Remember installing spawns?)

    2. Most StarCraft players are still playing StarCraft on their LAN today. It's a timeless game that we all want to enjoy for decades to come. If there are strings attached to this new version (i.e. Must activate new installs with Blizzard server; Must start a LAN game by way of BattleNet), it drastically reduces the flexibility and freedom-of-play that StarCraft fans are used to.

    Because of our long, loyal history with Blizzard, we expect *more* from them.

    In one sense, this version doesn't really take much away from the old version *if* you have a reliable Internet connection and Blizzard's server continue to run for as many years as you want to play.

    *If*, on the other hand, your Internet connection is dodgy or Blizzard decides to end-of-life support for StarCraft II's servers, the game becomes a pile of… nothing.

    By it's very nature, a game with such strings attached cannot be timeless… Cannot be a classic. Eventually the external services that are required in order to make it perform as designed will go away.

    We, the StarCraft fans, weep collectively because we already know the inevitable outcome of our beloved game's current course. And sadly, the only way to prevent it from eventually fading into obscurity will be to circumvent Blizzard's carefully crafted dependence on external services. But even this will not fully replace what is missing by design.

  21. Mark says:

    This DRM is mildly invasive at most…I don't see what the uproar is about. Connecting ONCE to the internet during the installation process is not much to ask for at all. I could understand it being a big deal if you had to connect every time…but you don't.

    I think if they are going to make you authenticate your account anyway though, why not keep LAN in the game?

  22. By requiring that I connect to their servers in order to install the game that I bought, they are putting the continued viability of the product I paid for into their own hands.

    Imagine if you bought a book and then couldn't read it because the publishing company had gone out of business.

    Even if we assume that companies like Blizzard will keep their activation servers up until they go out of business (despite plenty of historical evidence that this simply isn't the case), I own dozens of games from companies that no longer exist. And if you think that Blizzard is Eternal because they're Really, Really Big, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

  23. real says:

    Damn DRM crappy files in my cpu that I don't want,

    I was going to buy the game but now I am just going to, pirate all of blizzard games from now on.

  24. real says:

    I was goin gto buy 5 copies now I am gonig to pirate them as hard as I can.

  25. Jonas says:

    If I buy the game I get no LAN play but DRM.

    If I get a cracked copy I get LAN play and no DRM.

    Which copy do you think I will choose ?

  26. JoXuL says:

    Damnit, this means that I won't be able to create new accounts when my record becomes 0-50-50.

  27. QueueQueue says:

    Wow, people need to relax. 99% of the people complaining about the DRM will in no way be effected whatsoever. Whether the DRM is effective or not at stopping piracy, who cares? Why would you openly criticize a company for attempting to protect themselves?

    You idiots are trying to be martyrs. Stop complaining about things that don't even effect you. The rest of the world will be happily playing SC2, while you're having a bitch-fit over, what you seem to think in your naive minds, is a just cause.

    I am also certain, the majority of these people sayings they are "going to take their stand and not buy SC2", will be going to their local game store early to mid next year to pick up their SC2 pre-orders anyways.

    • NetworkError says:

      I am outraged that you're outraged at my outrage.

      Who's more bitchy? The bitch-fitter? Or the bitch-fitter who bitch-fits about the first bitch-fitter?

      But seriously. It's a big deal to us. We're voting with our dollar. It's not a big deal to you. … Nifty. Go buy the game when it comes out.

    • LBK_1975 says:

      You Sir! are a twit!

      Blizzard can better protect itself through offering patches, mods, forums and rewarding the buying public's good behaviour rather than assuming that we are all thieves even though we would buy it off the shelf. If they took some ideas from the Chinese they might also included a poster or figurine in a box (as long as it's quality) I would pay a little bit more for a quality product.

      I am sure the majority here will consider downloading SC2 with the no DRM, LAN patch (even if they do buy the original) simply for ease of use.

      You are right in part, DRM will affect only the percent of people who buy the product – personally IF (and it's a big if) I do buy SC2 it will only be if there is a working DRM patch, no CD crack and LAN patch (hell I can wait two weeks :)

      Nobody cares about your hate or ignorance of the issues here, perhaps you should go back to playing Pokemon.

      • QueueQueue says:

        God forbid you have to be connected to the internet to install!

        • LBK_1975 says:

          God has very little to do do with it.

          Are you not reading the thread? internet isn't for everyone (Cost, reliability, personal preference, whatever).

          The question is why do they NEED us to connect to the internet? it's not about service or piracy, It's about control and it's delaying the launch of the game by another six (6) months at least.

  28. g unit says:

    Hearing this I now would not feel bad pirating sc2. Since paying customers will get worse service than those using warez.

    How about blizzard starts charging for battle.net and multiplayer service directly since that is currently the big draw anyhow for starcraft 2 users?

  29. Jason says:

    DRM slows down the process of piracy and/or makes it harder. For pirates who cant wait a few days or weeks for the game to be cracked they will convert to buying the game.

    However last game I bought (GTA4) which had DRM was a horrible experience. So I don’t like the SC2 and potentially Diablo 3 having DRM.

  30. Tashi says:

    this kind of thing kills those of us who go out to sea for months at a time. we were so happy when one of the wive's sent a copy of red alert 3 only to find out we couldnt install it.

  31. KZT says:

    I think it's great that they're including DRM. With Modern Warfare 2 set to fly off the shelves and 8 million people+ paying £8-15 a month on WoW, I was worried that Activision and Blizzard might spend their profits on jets or fast cars or admins or GMs or product support or something!

    I happen to think that restricted game access, rootkits, arguing with customer support about account status and limited installs are the rights of a paying customer and ha ha to the pirates and keygen coders and hamachi users who will not be able to get these as part of their gameplay experience!

    And all for a significant part of my disposable income! We've come so far since the dark old days where you just got a game for pocket money.

    Three cheers for modern gaming!

  32. jakubox says:

    That sux big time. I was looking forward to buy this game. Just because blizzard was aware of the bullshit that all of the narrow minded drms bring. U can suck on my torrentz now blizzard. WTF is it with those industry guys who cannot see that just connecting means a hell lot for some gamers out there.
    And as usuall i guess that is the fucking reason to postpone the bloody release.

  33. JoelB says:

    Blizzard,

    The only reason I've ever bought your games has been for LAN play with my friends, and the OCCASIONAL battle over b-net. It's much more fun playing with people in the same room, and you're making things absurdly convoluted for no reason. I'd never have even know about Starcraft if it hadn't been for LAN play. Some people have some laptops and a game router, no internet. We go camping, we go to the middle of nowhere, and PLAY STARCRAFT!

    I was considering planning to upgrade my computer and possibly buy a new one, JUST TO PLAY STARCRAFT 2. This is very expensive. I have to start saving the minerals and gas soon or I won't have enough when you actually release the game. In order to do this I have to know it's a smart build. I have to know your game is going to actually be a better version of Starcraft.

    In the past week I've had my internet have problems 3 times, it was completely down. NOT UNCOMMON! A good friend is in town. My friend loves Starcraft as much or more than me. We watch pro matches on his big-screen TV. We had some epic matches just this week without internet, all with our legally purchased copies of starcraft, we were able to play without internet.

    Do you WANT to force b-net to have more people on it, making it cost more to run? Apparently. It sounds like it'd be easier not to, since often times people will just want to play locally.

    There are other people that have old computers and will need to upgrade. It's much easier to convince them once they play the game over LAN with a friend.

    Everyone will praise you for your ability to listen to fans if you do the right thing, like the did with Starcraft.

    It sounds to me like you are building mass sunken colony when you are fighting nothing but siege tanks and wraiths. Think about the end-game here dudes!

    And to all you seasoned Blizzard employees who know that this is a bad idea,

    Don't let a bunch of chuckleheads tell you how to do things. Fight back, put your jobs on the line. It's not too late and you all know it.

    I'm only one of the many.

    You've seen the movie the Matrix, when cypher pulls the plug on Switch.

    That's what you are doing to me.

    "Not like this. Not like this."

  34. subrosa says:

    Being an old-school Starcraft player, back when battle net over 56k was impressive, I am very disheartened by the turn that Blizzard is taking here.

    3 things have really irked me about Starcraft II

    1) No LAN – you have got to be kidding me, Starcraft would not have become Starcraft without the LAN play…in fact as I grew up with 56k having 2 people play together would be near impossible with Starcraft II.

    2) 3 releases for campaigns? really? So I have to buy what is essential the same engine with different art 3 times?

    and now

    3) DRM. yes, I always have an internet connection, yes I am fine with signing up with battlenet (I would anyways), but DRM is only a hinderer to the consumer. What was wrong with the old "cd-key" system? Did someone make up some figures to sell you the false sense of security that is DRM?

    I really do hope the pirates come out with a better version with LAN without DRM, maybe I will just buy a copy of the legit game and download/play the pirated version….then I cover my legal standings AND get the features I demand.

    And yes, I know no one from Blizzard will read this, I know no one cares. It will catch up with them eventually, and hopefully another indie publisher will learn the lesson and replace them.

    • LBK_1975 says:

      well put Subrosa,

      Rumours suggest "no LAN" might have to do with broadcast rights in Korea.

      Blizzard might be reading the threads here, a number of companies employ social media people to keep an ear out. This means they know the petitions are out there and know that a large percent of people wont "out" themselves online they will simply pirate the game.

      It's a shame Blizzard/Activison have not learnt from EA-Spore, Blizzards failure to understand pirates and their customer base will cost them millions (mind you not as much as Bobby's 15 million dollar salary).

  35. Talas Grim says:

    I won't pirate it, I'm a software engineer.

    But I also, won't buy it, I'll spend my money on another game, even after waiting so long to see a SC2.

    There's always hope for Diablo 3.

  36. Qwerty says:

    That sux big time. I was looking forward to buy this game. Just because blizzard was aware of the bullshit that all of the narrow minded drms bring. U can suck on my torrentz now blizzard. WTF is it with those industry guys who cannot see that just connecting means a hell lot for some gamers out there.

    And as usuall i guess that is the fucking reason to postpone the bloody release…

  37. Glim says:

    Pfft! I was really looking forward to StarCraft 2 and Diablo 3, but no thanks, I'll pass. Requiring an internet connection for a single-player game is a deal-breaker for me. Too bad for Blizzard… There are a ton of other games out there, and I'll gladly spend my money on the ones that aren't intentionally broken… ;)

    EA made the same mistake… As a result, I've skipped Spore, Mirror's Edge, Mass Effect, Dead Space, and also have no intention of playing Dragon Age or Mass Effect 2 they activate the same way… Brilliant move EA! Great way to lose a long-time customer! ;)

    • Skinks says:

      Wow man, you really missed out. Spore and Mirror's Edge are pretty meh, but Mass Effect and Dead Space were well worth any inconvenience (I played em' on 360 though, so I can't be sure). In addition to this, I've almost always found that people who pirate games do it whether or not there is DRM, even though they often claim they'd pay for it if the company went without, this never seems to happen when games lack the DRM of course. It's kind of a lose/lose situation for the company. The pirates pirate either way, but now at least they can make the gaming experience inferior to the pirates (eg no lan means that multiplayer will proble be impossible for pirates) so whether or not I agree with it, I can understand their justification, and sympathize with these companies which are losing tremendous amounts of money due to piracy and are trying desperately to prevent this. We can only hope they change their standpoint before the game's final release next year.

  38. Swifty! says:

    Honestly? Am I really reading a bunch of kid's comments or semi-reasonable adults? All i see is "waaaa! mommy! they arent doing it the way it was!"

    DRM- You get the game, you log on/register on bnet(where Im sure youll be (A- wanting to log onto almost immediately and test your mettle against skilled opponents anyway and B)And more than able to do since, you know, everyone flaming about this has the internet, or at least some access since your on the internet,right now, complaining about how hard it will be to use the internet to go to the gaming server and register, WHERE YOU WILL BE GOING ANYWAY. WTF

    what is the big deal? Pretty much the same as logging onto bnet right now on brood war, and registering a new account-but maybe with the addition of one more box- a CD key box.

    LAN- Ok, lan is a great, fun and easy way for people to play together in a single building all night eating pizza, drinking soda and playing unil their brains are frazzled and eyes bloodshot. With that said, get over he fact that you cant-quite literally- GEEK OUT and shut yourselves off from the world for a weekend of Dude sweat and no sleep or showers…no women. Blizzard is doing you hard core-ers a favor; keeping you from falling into a dark WOW type black hole that leaves you unable to funtion productively outside of WOW.

    All your friends are just going to have to meet online, use their own damn bandwidth, and be happy playing a nice, polished game with a brand new service engine designed to promote better multiplayer experience. More balance, 7 catergories of play levels, improved ranking and ladder system, Achievements,etc…

    Lan was cool when we didnt worry about girlfriends. When we were 12.

    Let it go, at least we are the ones who can talk about lan like woodstock for hippies,man. We were there when it happened,man!It was great, now its gone. Moving on….

    3 releases for 3 campaigns.Sweet! Is it a money making scheme? Yes and no…but isnt that the idea behind a company making,marketing and selling their product? And remember, each Release is said to be as epic as both SC and BW combined, for each release! 26-30 in depth missions. New maps, achievements, units, gamestyling(landscapes etc.) and lets not forget-BW gave us some of the most important units used in the game. Each campaign won't be an EXP like BW, but an entirely unique game adding units,diversity and new characters and an equal amount of gameplay and new missions for each race, as large as BW and SC1 put together for each of them.

    Idk, Im glad all of you are spazzing out like the end is nigh, vowing not to buy the game on the basis of… No lan,addition of soft DRM(one timer) and having to pay for each game seperately even though they are, in respect, a stand alone title that also happens to make the game you bought a year ago even better.(talking multiplayer-new units, maps, abilities,terrain,etc.)

    So,say each copy costs 60$. 3 copies. 180$

    over the course of 3 years.quick math im thinking thats around….

    180$/3years=60$PerYear

    60$PerYear/12months=5$ a month

    5$a month/An avg of 30 day month=between 15c and 20c a day.

    So, kiddies =) If you start your piggy bank today and put in a quarter a day, you'll be able to buy every copy of star craft, and you wont even feel the pinch of your pocket. You guys sound very, very spoiled and I'm relieved you're so upset about a few generally insignificant details that I won't have to worry about you playing the game. Wouldn't want you to be moping so hard about the game while I'm playing with you that do don't notice the pylon that already warped in just outside you base, with 3 cannons on the way, and 2 zealots standing guard while you havent even taken the time to scout(because you're so mad you aren't playing lan-you're actually playing people at your skill level, instead of those LAN friends who don't play as much as you and are fun to slaughter effortlessly.) How's that for a rant? Flamey enough for you?

    Good day sirs and kids! I look foward to the release of the fine tuned perfection that awaits in the SC2 Trilogy!!!!!!

    MUWHAWHAHWhAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Stick that in your pipes and smoke it. IM EXCITED ABOUT SC2 OMFGROTFLMFAO

    • LBK_1975 says:

      wow Swifty, do you have a Blizzard tattoo anywhere?

      You do realise we are takling about Starcraft here not some "WOW in Space" right?

      I personally have never logged on to b.net – others here might have but for me the game was never about meeting new people (or kid's online) it was a fun way for me to get together with mates (real people) and sit in a room with pizza and too many soft drinks.

      If you are need of a girlfriend – I can't help you there – but since our LAN's actually had girls there too (you do know that girls play games right?). Girlfriends and LAN's always worked for us… you just need the balls to manage a group of people.

      Thank as well for your helpful suggestions on costs but this doesn't equal other peoples reality around the world and neither does logging to to register a game I have already purchased in store. (America is only one country in the world).

      DRM assumes the holder of the game is a thief or pirate, when the reality of piracy is so very different. I should be rewarded for purchasing a game from a store not punished.

      It's never been about cost Swifty – I owned and played Starcraft ten years ago – and have been earning six figures for some years now. With Blizzard / Activison it's a respect thing and let's face it – you just don't get it – maybe it's a puberty thing? don't know, don't really care.

      Be a sheep by all means – I will be buying games that my friends and I can play together and that's where my money will be spent and nothing some Blizzard troll say's is going to make a difference.

      Have a good day Swifty!

  39. bob says:

    I don't have interent access on my gaming/home pc (speed, reliability and price reasons) so even requiring me to 'authenticate' the game once during install is going to lose Blizzard my £30!

    Oh well more money to spend on hobbies where they treat you like a customer and not a criminal. Remember innocent until proven guilty!

  40. Swifty! says:

    Right on, I just like playing devil's advocate. I think blizzard has plenty of stupid mistakes and decisions. Mostly the decision to wait to release a game that's done by most standards strictly for the multiplayer aspect. All i'm saying is if you can't find a free wi-fi connection somwhere for 10 minutes…crap maybe you shouldn't be spending your money on SC, since you must live in a 3rd world country.

    "DRM assumes the holder of the game is a thief or pirate, when the reality of piracy is so very different. I should be rewarded for purchasing a game from a store not punished."

    Did i read that correctly? You spend money on a game, and by registering it,you are-in essence- saying you didn't buy it? I don't really get what your statement means…

    SC is the ONLY game I've ever like from blizzard…I've never even played WoW and I think Diablo is the most redundant "click,click,click" game ever invented. So you can call me a fanboy-but by no means am i a "blizzard troll"

    I just think everyone is acting like a big baby about change. Change happens, deal with it. Register your game you "pirates" or don't buy it like you said you aren't. =) If you're about playng multiplayer with your friends,and not multiplayer online, I'd say you are a very slim margin and the gaming industry shouldn't have to cater to you anyway. It's about money, ergo they'll cater to the masses. If you have an internet connection to flame about it on here, you ought to have that connection to connect for gaming. If not, bummer. Guess you'll have to stick with SC1, which is still an awesome game. =) Now excuse me while I go change my son's diapers, give him a nap, and try to make more babies with my girlfriend. =) Good day sirs.

  41. Swifty! says:

    With the amount of piracy happening today, why wouldn't they incorporate DRM? It's like buying a car without having to go to the DMV. If i stole your car and drove it around, and a cop pulled me over…and i could just say,"it's ok, i payed for this" and get let go…well you can see where your logic is flawed,can't you? Thank blizzard for waiting so long to make DRM a requirement. If you bought it at the store, and have an internet connection, what's the difference between typing a key-code or logging online for about 2 minutes? The difference is everyone has to pay to play, as they should. Just be thankful it's taken this long to go into effect mr "I make six figures" lol

    • LBK_1975 says:

      DRM isn't a requirement – copy protection worked when the transfer of information was poor but the times have moved on or 'changed'.

      With groups of dedicated hackers around the world and the fan base (or potential market for sales) being so large the cracked version will be out in hours, just like Spore…

      I don't understand your point about the DMV? If you could download a car then yes people would steal them I guess. But games are different – at least with Dawn of War the no cd was removed as part of the installation of the later expansions. It's nice to be treated with respect.

      You will never stop people from stealing anything, it's simply a matter of opportunity and these days a click away. The only way to win against piracy is to offer more rewards for being a good customer than assuming everyone who walked in the door is a thief out to get you.

      Imagine I guess – Blizzard / Activision as a store who strip-searches customers entering/exiting the store on the off chance that someone might shoplift. Would you shop there Swifty?

      I have no real objection on registering my purchase for a product (it's my choice to do so) – I do find something objectionable about a game (company) demanding I 'prove' that my legal copy is in fact legal…

    • bob says:

      A better DRM car analogy is…

      DRM 'protected' car: Having to phone up the dealer and ask them to bring you the keys every time you want to use the car. If they have gone out of business, its the weekend or they no longer support your model of car then you can not drive it

      Normal car: You get in, turn the key and drive off.

      In a normal car you are given the key when you purchase it. In the DRM 'protected' key you are effectively looking after the car for the dealer and have to beg to be able to use it.

  42. bob says:

    "In a normal car you are given the key when you purchase it. In the DRM ‘protected’ key you are effectively looking after the car for the dealer and have to beg to be able to use it."

    should read

    "In a normal car you are given the key when you purchase it. In the DRM ‘protected’ car you are effectively looking after the car for the dealer and have to beg to be able to use it."

    Sorry about the typo

  43. Swifty! says:

    Lol you guys are fighting change to the death aren't you? Actually in a DRM car…you have your title in you file cabinet at home after you go to the DMV. Be thankful that DRM isn't like the DMV.Then even I'd be bitching.

    Yes,I do expect blizzard to expect you to prove you bought the game…at least they're making an effort to fight smelly pirate hookers. You expect them to sit around and make no effort? Your comparisons for DRM and a car dealership, as well as getting searched when you enter/exit a store have no validity because that's unrealistic and you're stretching too far to make your point. Wouldn't happen. Succumb to knowledge, before you look even "more dumber."

    Yes it will be cracked, but I'm going to buy my copy and register it, like 90% of the other players out there who accept change and see DRM as a step in the right direction.You'll never stop piracy….but you expect them to accept piracy? Well, they mine as well drop DRM AND keycodes! Shit, mine as well make the game available for download from the website for free in that case,yea?

    Of course I wouldn't shop anywhere the search me, much less STRIP search me. Your comparisons are not even realistic.

    I'm all for basic rights, but I think if you buy the game, you know what you're getting into-and you're fogetting even major companies like Activision/Blizzard have a right to protect and license their product. Just like all the flamers have a right to shut up and not buy it, let their voice -or lack thereof-be heard that way.

    The fact that you are upset you have to prove you aren't a douchebag hacker,well, insinuates that you are one….

    • bob says:

      "The fact that you are upset you have to prove you aren’t a douchebag hacker,well, insinuates that you are one…."

      I always subscribed to the 'Innocent until proven guilty' methodology. In your world everyone is a guilty until…

      1. They have enough money for a monthly subscription to the Internet (both ISP and line rental charges)

      2. Even after handing over money for a game they then have to prove that they legally purchased it at install and every time they want to run said game

      3. Are willing to had over complete control of the game to a 3rd part for as long as they can be bothered to support said product at which point the game will no longer be installeable/runnable.

      Yes change happens, but there is a difference between change that happens because its needed and change for changes sake. Any form of checking for single player (i.e. offline) is not needed and ultimately hurts the customer when it goes wrong.

      "like 90% of the other players out there who accept change and see DRM as a step in the right direction" – Link to a study that proves this please.

      “The fact that you are upset you have to prove you aren’t a douchebag hacker,well, insinuates that you are one…. “ – Wow you really are very short sighted if that's the only conclusion you can come up with.

      P.S. I have no problem with publishers protecting their IP so long as they do it in a way that does not inconvenience me or cause me to possibly be unable to use what I fairly paid for.

  44. Swifty! says:

    Guess I didn't acnser your DMV question earlier. YOu buy a car, you have to go to the DMV to register/title it. Buy a game, you go online and register it. How hard is that to understand? Figured you'd know all about the going to DMV, seeing as you must have a plethora of cars with your six-figure salary and all.

    XD

    • LBK_1975 says:

      Actually in Australia – you do not have to register a vehicle or even have a license if the vehicle in question is used on private property and roads.

      And you shouldn't be using the word 'register' registering a game is putting your hand up and saying I purchased a game. What Blizzard is trying to do is what companies before now have done 9EA with Spore) and is to sell a locked product which can not be used until it is 'unlocked' and verified online. (Which people without a reliable internet connection or those of use worried about quality, privacy etc.. object too).

      I couldn't care if you think I am a hacker – I just think the money they are wasting on DRM could be better spent on game development and quality control.

      One last thought Switfy – what happens with the Blizzard Activation/Verification Server goes down?….it could be one year, two years or even attacked by DOS? What will you play then? (all it takes is one dodgy connection or a Trojan that means you have to reinstall the game and there will be tears).

      Come find us playing Dawn of War – Soulstorm, if I buy something from store it's mine! no-one can assume that I stole it if I am walking down the street with it in my bag – Why would I give my rights to a greedy multinational gaming company whose CEO makes 15 Million? he certainly doesn't have my best interests at heart.

  45. Swifty! says:

    OMG. Buy the game, go home and install. Connect to B.net to verify. Play the game until your computer takes a shit or you reformat. It's a ONE TIME DEAL. Why doesn't anyone seem to understand that? You dont need to connect to blizzard every day if you want to play. They just want to make sure you didn't download it from a torrent site for free. What is wrong with a company protecting their rights?

    I dont think you're a hacker 1975, i just think you talk like one.

    I don't think a police officer in the USA is going to come on your land and ask for a title for your car without it reported stolen or good cause either, so that point is moot. Although they do have to register farm vehicles,technically. But if you never leave your house,land, or roads on your private land-then of course you don't have to register the damn thing.

    I don't think everyone is guilty until proven innocent, i just think the outrage over a SOFT DRM is freaking rediculous. Instead of a keycode, you connect to the companies server. Hey, you paid for this, thanks! Enjoy the game, and enjoy the (most likely) freaking awesome B.net 2.0 for free, unlike most other companies *cough* MSoft *cough* that require you to pay a monthly fee. Considering they are giving multiplayers a free,upgraded service to ensure a better gaming atmosphere…the least you can do is prove you paid for the product you are going to use on the free servers they have to pay to maintain and upgrade.

    What a Biased,one sided discussion we'd have here, if I wasn't shaking it up a bit, eh?

    “like 90% of the other players out there who accept change and see DRM as a step in the right direction” – Link to a study that proves this please.

    There is no study. Although 82% of statistics are made up on the spot. XD

    But if you find someone to do a stufy like that, Let me know. I'm sure the number wouldn't be half that-if this forum is any indication.

    OMG OMG the server went down!!!! Whatever am I to do with myself! Good god!! I can't play!!! What am I supposed to do!?!? Go OUTSIDE!?! OMFG OMFG

    Seriously? Get bent or get laid.

    Get over it. Change is here. If you want to play the game, log onto b.net for a minute. If you dont, STFU and get outta here. Boycott by not buying the game, see if blizzard gives a shit. =D

    • Jetman123 says:

      You know, slinging insults at people isn't a good way to win over people to your side. What it IS a good way to do is make people think you're an asshole… case in point.

      Attack people's arguements, not them. You'll get a lot more done.

      What if the server doesn't come back up? What are you supposed to do then?

  46. Swifty! says:

    LBK

    "Why would I give my rights to a greedy multinational gaming company whose CEO makes 15 Million? he certainly doesn’t have my best interests at heart."

    You make six figures, who says I should listen to you anyway you greedy wanna be CEO. rofl…

    • LBK_1975 says:

      "..wanna be CEO…" ahh no thanks. I have better things to do with my time.

      like for example; troll hunting (it's free)

      but feel free to attack me personally if you like, it's not like you're able to debate my points on Starcraft, it's marketing or say anything of any relevance..

      a smart person (swifty) might have asked what my speciality is and why they are willing to pay for my services… far easier to assume everyone else is dumber than you perhaps?

      • Jimmy B says:

        Dude.. Nobody knows who you are. I mean maybe someone does, but who cares we're all going to die in 2012 anyways. Pass off your daughter to the neighbor, trade your wife to the homeys.. The worlds going to end. Now THATs something we all can agree on.

        • Jetman123 says:

          The mayan calendar and myths say nothing about the world ending in 2012. 2012 is their new millenium, which is supposedly a time of change and rebirth… like 2000 was for us. Everything's new and shiny at the turn of the century.

          The "world ends in 2012" was made up and then inflated by hysteria just like the Y2K bug was.

  47. ERic says:

    Whats this?

    Blizzard turn into EA now?

  48. Swifty! says:

    That's right, let it die.

    • Jimmy B says:

      hahahaha, right on.. This game is freaken brutal I guess people can complain about anything.. I knew this girl once that always complained about shoving my moistnmeaty in her mouth. She said it hurt her throat… HAHA what the hell would she know.

      • Jetman123 says:

        Rock on, man. Who cares what the girl thinks about sex, they're all sluts, they don't care, they'll take it where the hell they can get it, always, all the time.

        I'm going to hazard a guess here and say you never actually talked with a woman on an equal level.

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